Your five biggest feature requests...

[Viking]

Sh*t, I thought request #5 was a "Viking original"



(BTW: The Expandable folder tree in Tabbles left menu is really the most important to me right now.)

[MASTER260]

All I really could use is Linux Compatability & an API. But especially Linux Compatability...

[mantisghost]

1) Full integration with windows explorer. Its not bad but it would be just awesome to tag it and search in explorer. I don't know maybe just clone explorer GUI and give us option to use it as explorer. Hard to explain, ummm did you see total commander ? There is an option to use it as deafult explorer in os. Now i see that others did suggest it too well once more time for reminder from me

2) Tracing files. Yea its good app but when i move the files either to other hard drive or even folder its useless. Sure i can move them via tabbles but its not so handy for now, sorry . Thats why if the app would know when and where i copy tagged files it would be awesome.

3) Improve combine funcion. its good still if i want to search for example photo i did in africa in 2008 with elephant on it i must do it like this: alt+c > africa > enter > elephant > enter> 2008 > enter > enter. Hell of work and im lazy. For me and others, I think it would be much faster to make it like this (or give us option to tweak it like this) : alt+c > africa, elephant, 2008 > enter or alt+c > africa; elephant; 2008 > enter or even better alt+c > africa elephant 2008 > enter . Maybe i can do it like that somehow (I did try to use + but didnt work) ? Im new to tabbles and still learning it. Same for full window search bar.

4) Make it faster. Listing folders and loading files takes quite long time.

5) Make it use system deafult language.


Sorry for my bad english

[Andrea]

Hello there

1) Full integration with windows explorer. Its not bad but it would be just awesome to tag it and search in explorer. I don't know maybe just clone explorer GUI and give us option to use it as explorer. Hard to explain, ummm did you see total commander ? There is an option to use it as deafult explorer in os. Now i see that others did suggest it too well once more time for reminder from me

Integration with Explorer is one thing, but replacing Explorer is rather different... anyway we'll look into more of that but right now we're focusing on the tabble sharing features (the one thing people really need at work).

2) Tracing files. Yea its good app but when i move the files either to other hard drive or even folder its useless. Sure i can move them via tabbles but its not so handy for now, sorry . Thats why if the app would know when and where i copy tagged files it would be awesome.

Yes, we've been working A LOT on this and it's absolutely not an easy problem to solve... have a look at our development wave.

3) Improve combine funcion. its good still if i want to search for example photo i did in africa in 2008 with elephant on it i must do it like this: alt+c > africa > enter > elephant > enter> 2008 > enter > enter. Hell of work and im lazy. For me and others, I think it would be much faster to make it like this (or give us option to tweak it like this) : alt+c > africa, elephant, 2008 > enter or alt+c > africa; elephant; 2008 > enter or even better alt+c > africa elephant 2008 > enter . Maybe i can do it like that somehow (I did try to use + but didnt work) ? Im new to tabbles and still learning it. Same for full window search bar.

This is not possible, as your tabbles will grow you will understand: you may soon have 10 tabbles that contain "2008" in their name therefore you start typing "2008" and you get a list of 10 tabbles that you navigate with the keyboard...

4) Make it faster. Listing folders and loading files takes quite long time.

yes, we need to work on speed and memory use...

5) Make it use system deafult language.

Dude, you're TRULY lazy! You can choose the language the first time Tabbles starts, and then you can change it later on, and it's something you do once in a lifetime!

Anyway, what's your first language? Would you like to help with the translations? Please have a look at this thread.

Thanks,

Andrea

[mantisghost]

3) Improve combine funcion. its good still if i want to search for example photo i did in africa in 2008 with elephant on it i must do it like this: alt+c > africa > enter > elephant > enter> 2008 > enter > enter. Hell of work and im lazy. For me and others, I think it would be much faster to make it like this (or give us option to tweak it like this) : alt+c > africa, elephant, 2008 > enter or alt+c > africa; elephant; 2008 > enter or even better alt+c > africa elephant 2008 > enter . Maybe i can do it like that somehow (I did try to use + but didnt work) ? Im new to tabbles and still learning it. Same for full window search bar.

This is not possible, as your tabbles will grow you will understand: you may soon have 10 tabbles that contain "2008" in their name therefore you start typing "2008" and you get a list of 10 tabbles that you navigate with the keyboard...

I don't want to sound smart but I always say that nothing is impossible ^^". Yes i undestand that later it may be hard but some inteligent filtering engine must be possible to make it work. Or just wahtever lets leave it like that.

5) Make it use system deafult language.

Dude, you're TRULY lazy! You can choose the language the first time Tabbles starts, and then you can change it later on, and it's something you do once in a lifetime!

Hahaha yes i know im working on it . But let's say it people like to have things done fast and to tell you the truth it gives really good opionion and points to your company when you install app and see that its in your language by deafult.

Anyway, what's your first language? Would you like to help with the translations? Please have a look at this thread.

I could, but unfortunately my native is polish and its almost completed (some tabbles are still in english)

[potetmos]

Here are my requests in no particular order:

- The ability to create several databases on one computer

- Improved speed and less memory use (but you already know this of course )

- The option to add simple descriptions to tabbles. Maybe even give every tabble a "profile-page" of sorts where you have information on that tabble.

[Andrea]

Hi there and thanks for the input

Here are my requests in no particular order:

- The ability to create several databases on one computer

Uh, this is an uncommon request... why you think you need this? For privacy issues?
You know you can change/rename the db.zip file, do you?

- Improved speed and less memory use (but you already know this of course )

- The option to add simple descriptions to tabbles. Maybe even give every tabble a "profile-page" of sorts where you have information on that tabble.

yes, we know them both... I'd say that the memory is the most urgent here...

Thanks,

A.

[potetmos]

- Improved speed and less memory use (but you already know this of course )

- The option to add simple descriptions to tabbles. Maybe even give every tabble a "profile-page" of sorts where you have information on that tabble.

yes, we know them both... I'd say that the memory is the most urgent here...

And I would agree

Here are my requests in no particular order:

- The ability to create several databases on one computer

Uh, this is an uncommon request... why you think you need this? For privacy issues?
You know you can change/rename the db.zip file, do you?

It may be just me, but I would like to be able to create a new "set" of tabbles and auto-tagging rules to keep different projects/groups/tasks separate. Today, I use Tabbles to sort my photos with different tabbles used like this:
-Tabble 1: Location
--Location 1
--Location 2
---Sub-Location 1
-Tabble 2: Persons
--Person 1
--Person 2

But say I wanted to create an entirely different set of Tabbles to sort my video-files, without having the Location- and Person-tabbles get in the way, as they are not relevant to the video-files. If you look at other software, like Access, you have the ability to easily switch between different databases.

So it would end up like this:
- Database 1: Photos
-- Tabble 1: Location
-- Tabble 2: Persons

- Database 2: Videos
-- Tabble 1
-- Tabble 2

The two databases have no relation to each other.

As far as I can tell, there are no simple way of accomplishing this today. I know I can group the two databases inside a single Tabbles-database today and somehow reach the same effect, but both the performance and the tidiness take a serious hit. I find it sort of odd that no one but me find this problematic, is it possible I have overlooked an existing feature? If that's the case, I'm sorry to have bothered you.

[korner]

Hi,

I'm currently evaluating Tabbles free version, and I like it very much. Having tried almost every other file tagging application currently available, Tabbles is working the way I think file tagging should be. Compliments for that.

There is still one problem I can see coming up, when I'd go into serioulsy using it. (well, two in fact, but they might be related)

I'm pretty sure that I would get lost in tags (or tabbles) very soon without beeing able to manage them properly. The forum here is a great source of information, and I have read great parts of it to learn about tabbles and to find out about your design decisions. I'm sure, you're proud of the tabbles tree, but the way it is working now is one of the problems.
On evaluating delicious.com I have collected about 400 urls and tagged them with about 390 keywords, which fill up a complete screen using only the words, no icons or any meta information. It's hard to find a tag there if you don't exactly remember which keywords you used. The delicious solution for this are tag bundles to collect the tags into categories. I think mrdna suggested 'profiles' for a similar solution.

The hierarchical tabbles could be a solution too, if the GUI behaved a bit differently. Let's have an example. I am working as an IT freelancer with a couple of customers, in my private life I am drumming in some Jazz bands, I'm interested in outdoor activities, and I'm engaged in environment saving activities. These are areas which do not have much common elements, so as a first approach I could create 'master tabbles' for IT, MUSIC, OUTDOOR and ENVIRONMENT. But each of these main categories soon would have a screenful of sub-tabbles, so the hierarchical display in the tree isn't very useful. It possibly would be useful to click on a main category in the tree and have the sub-tabbles displayed in the file panel, but there is no such view. The file panel doesn't show the sub-tabbles, it shows the combinable tabbles together with the files, and a main category would have lots of files....

In short, I do believe that having a great number in a hierarchical tabble tree reintroduces the problem we had with files in the Windows filesystem: it's hard to find something in a hierarchical storage. A better solution would be mrdna's profiles or some sort of delicious' tag bundles with user definable contents. The tree as you have it now is useful if you have inheritance between parent - child tabbles. At the moment only colors are inherited aren't they? The other way, tagging a file automatically adding the parent tabble doesnt work, and that's reasonable.

A bit related to all this is potetmos' request for several different databases. I'd second this request not only for having different dbs for different unrelated areas of interest such as my professional work and my photo archive. For example, in a presentation for a customer I wouldn't like to have tabbles or files relating to another customer shown on the screen - just the keywords and filenames might provide confidential information. Another example: I am carrying an external drive between one customer workplace and my home office. There are some tags in common between the files on my drive and the files used for the customer project. Put the other way round, some tabbles in my database point to files at the customer space only, and I have no use for them at home. Sharing is no option too, because I can't remove the workplace references from the db. What I would need to have is an easy way in Tabbles to switch between dbs (yes, I made myself a batch file to swap dbs, but thats not elegant), and a way to keep tabbles for external drives or areas of interest separate. At least with a feature like 'export/import everything for drive F into a separate db'.

Thats a long post for the first one, sorry if I misunderstood anything or missed any information. But - I wouldn't have invested the time to write this if I didn't like Tabbles and didn't feel it could be improved. It's a fine piece of software - keep on the good work.

regards,
RK

[Andrea]

Hi korner, and welcome to the forum!

Hi,

I'm currently evaluating Tabbles free version, and I like it very much. Having tried almost every other file tagging application currently available, Tabbles is working the way I think file tagging should be. Compliments for that.

There is still one problem I can see coming up, when I'd go into serioulsy using it. (well, two in fact, but they might be related)

I'm pretty sure that I would get lost in tags (or tabbles) very soon without beeing able to manage them properly. The forum here is a great source of information, and I have read great parts of it to learn about tabbles and to find out about your design decisions. I'm sure, you're proud of the tabbles tree, but the way it is working now is one of the problems.
On evaluating delicious.com I have collected about 400 urls and tagged them with about 390 keywords, which fill up a complete screen using only the words, no icons or any meta information. It's hard to find a tag there if you don't exactly remember which keywords you used. The delicious solution for this are tag bundles to collect the tags into categories. I think mrdna suggested 'profiles' for a similar solution.

The hierarchical tabbles could be a solution too, if the GUI behaved a bit differently. Let's have an example. I am working as an IT freelancer with a couple of customers, in my private life I am drumming in some Jazz bands, I'm interested in outdoor activities, and I'm engaged in environment saving activities. These are areas which do not have much common elements, so as a first approach I could create 'master tabbles' for IT, MUSIC, OUTDOOR and ENVIRONMENT. But each of these main categories soon would have a screenful of sub-tabbles, so the hierarchical display in the tree isn't very useful. It possibly would be useful to click on a main category in the tree and have the sub-tabbles displayed in the file panel, but there is no such view. The file panel doesn't show the sub-tabbles, it shows the combinable tabbles together with the files, and a main category would have lots of files....

There are 2 things here:
1) it's correct when you say that if you click on a tabble "father" in the tree, what you'll in the file panel are the combinable tabbles - but the combinable tabbles include the "children" of the tabble "father". Consider that each file tagging with a tabble "child" is automatically also tagged with its tabble "fathers" (thus the combineability) - this also explains the question you ask below.

2) you should try the "Alt+C" search box: it works also when Tabbles is minimized in the tray and there you can search the tabbles based on names (and it works pretty well).

In short, I do believe that having a great number in a hierarchical tabble tree reintroduces the problem we had with files in the Windows filesystem: it's hard to find something in a hierarchical storage. A better solution would be mrdna's profiles or some sort of delicious' tag bundles with user definable contents. The tree as you have it now is useful if you have inheritance between parent - child tabbles. At the moment only colors are inherited aren't they? The other way, tagging a file automatically adding the parent tabble doesnt work, and that's reasonable.

Nope, this is not correct: colors aren't inherited, but if a file is tagged with the tabble "chick", where chick is inside the tabble "hen", then the file inherits the tagging with "hen". I hope this misunderstanding led you to write 50% of this post is it? I should add something in the manual then

A bit related to all this is potetmos' request for several different databases. I'd second this request not only for having different dbs for different unrelated areas of interest such as my professional work and my photo archive. For example, in a presentation for a customer I wouldn't like to have tabbles or files relating to another customer shown on the screen - just the keywords and filenames might provide confidential information. Another example: I am carrying an external drive between one customer workplace and my home office. There are some tags in common between the files on my drive and the files used for the customer project. Put the other way round, some tabbles in my database point to files at the customer space only, and I have no use for them at home. Sharing is no option too, because I can't remove the workplace references from the db. What I would need to have is an easy way in Tabbles to switch between dbs (yes, I made myself a batch file to swap dbs, but thats not elegant), and a way to keep tabbles for external drives or areas of interest separate. At least with a feature like 'export/import everything for drive F into a separate db'.

The issue with the confidential information, I can see that... but I can't see how it is different from having a hierarchy of folders in your HD? Plus, how would you solve this... by having a different db for each Customer? This would kill the purpose of Tabbles as the main idea behind it would be to manage cross-referenced files (files related to several customers/projects/products/events).
Switching dbs is something we heard many times about, but we didn't get so far a convincing proposal of functionality, nor a convincing explanation to implement it.
The only thing I can really see a reason to split dbs would be the work vs personal dbs...(maybe you could elaborate more?).

Something else worth mentioning: you may considering using tabble-sharing between work and home, eventually using VPN or Cloud Storage to access files?

Thats a long post for the first one, sorry if I misunderstood anything or missed any information. But - I wouldn't have invested the time to write this if I didn't like Tabbles and didn't feel it could be improved. It's a fine piece of software - keep on the good work.

regards,
RK

Your long post is indeed very appreciated - it definitely shows some interest. I'd suggest you give it one more try based on my answer and let us know?

Thanks,

Andrea